Shyster lawyers and charlatans
Proof that this Parliament, apart from making bad law, doesn't know the reason for repealing good law. I bet the traitor Blair knows though
Good work Anne, it's a pity the Baroness Scotland couldn't make a public apology, but hopefully by publishing this letter we can show this inept bunch of politicians up for what they are. Shyster lawyers and charlatans.
This is a copy of a letter from the Home Office dated 20.1.2005.
Dear Ms Palmer,
Thank you for your letters of 22nd November to Baroness Scotland about her answer to a recent parliamentary question from Lord Tebbit concerning treason legislation. This has been passed to the criminal Law Policy Unit of the home Office, which has responsibility for such legislation, and I have been asked to reply. I apologise for the delay in doing so.
As you rightly say, the answer given to Lord Tebbit’s question was incorrect because it sated that the Treason act 1795 was still in force when it was in fact repealed by the Crime and disorder Act 1998. Baroness Scotland has since written to Lord Tebbit correcting the mistake. A copy of her letter of 16 December (Which you will see has been placed in both the house Libraries) is enclosed for your information.
The Crime and disorder Act 1998 substituted a sentence of life imprisonment for the death penalty previous associated with offences of treason. You ask why, in the cases of the Treason acts of 1790, 1q795, 1817 and the Treason by women (Ireland) Act 1796, the whole Act was repealed; and why, in the case of the Treason Felony Act 1848, section 2 was repealed.
We know that the Treason act 1790 and the Treason by Women Act 1796 were repealed in their entirety because they did no more than provide for the death penalty for women convicted of treason; and that the repeals of the 1817 Act and section 2 of the Treason Felony Act 1848 were consequential to the repeal of the 1795 Act. However, I am afraid that, despite an extensive search of our records, we have not been able to ascertain why the 1795 Act was itself repealed at that time. (All officials who worked in this Unit during the passage of the Crime and Disorder Act have since moved on so we have not had the benefit of their knowledge).
The 1795 Act outlawed plots to kill, maim, imprison etc the Sovereign, his heirs and successors. In modern practice, such acts would be covered by conspiracy law which was placed on a statutory footing by the criminal Law Act 1977. The maximum sentence for conspiracy is the same as the offence the defendant conspired to commit. For example, a person convicted of conspiracy to murder or of conspiracy to commit another serious offence for which the maximum sentence is life imprisonment, could be sentenced to life imprisonment for the conspiracy too.
Finally, you ask which treason Acts, either in part or full, are still in force. These are as follows: the Treason Acts of 1351, 1695, 1702, 1800, 1814, 1842 and 1945; and the treason Felony Act 1848. The most important of these is the treason Act 1351 which defines the main circumstances in which high treason is committed
Yours sincerely
Kashif Butt.
Good work Anne, it's a pity the Baroness Scotland couldn't make a public apology, but hopefully by publishing this letter we can show this inept bunch of politicians up for what they are. Shyster lawyers and charlatans.
This is a copy of a letter from the Home Office dated 20.1.2005.
Dear Ms Palmer,
Thank you for your letters of 22nd November to Baroness Scotland about her answer to a recent parliamentary question from Lord Tebbit concerning treason legislation. This has been passed to the criminal Law Policy Unit of the home Office, which has responsibility for such legislation, and I have been asked to reply. I apologise for the delay in doing so.
As you rightly say, the answer given to Lord Tebbit’s question was incorrect because it sated that the Treason act 1795 was still in force when it was in fact repealed by the Crime and disorder Act 1998. Baroness Scotland has since written to Lord Tebbit correcting the mistake. A copy of her letter of 16 December (Which you will see has been placed in both the house Libraries) is enclosed for your information.
The Crime and disorder Act 1998 substituted a sentence of life imprisonment for the death penalty previous associated with offences of treason. You ask why, in the cases of the Treason acts of 1790, 1q795, 1817 and the Treason by women (Ireland) Act 1796, the whole Act was repealed; and why, in the case of the Treason Felony Act 1848, section 2 was repealed.
We know that the Treason act 1790 and the Treason by Women Act 1796 were repealed in their entirety because they did no more than provide for the death penalty for women convicted of treason; and that the repeals of the 1817 Act and section 2 of the Treason Felony Act 1848 were consequential to the repeal of the 1795 Act. However, I am afraid that, despite an extensive search of our records, we have not been able to ascertain why the 1795 Act was itself repealed at that time. (All officials who worked in this Unit during the passage of the Crime and Disorder Act have since moved on so we have not had the benefit of their knowledge).
The 1795 Act outlawed plots to kill, maim, imprison etc the Sovereign, his heirs and successors. In modern practice, such acts would be covered by conspiracy law which was placed on a statutory footing by the criminal Law Act 1977. The maximum sentence for conspiracy is the same as the offence the defendant conspired to commit. For example, a person convicted of conspiracy to murder or of conspiracy to commit another serious offence for which the maximum sentence is life imprisonment, could be sentenced to life imprisonment for the conspiracy too.
Finally, you ask which treason Acts, either in part or full, are still in force. These are as follows: the Treason Acts of 1351, 1695, 1702, 1800, 1814, 1842 and 1945; and the treason Felony Act 1848. The most important of these is the treason Act 1351 which defines the main circumstances in which high treason is committed
Yours sincerely
Kashif Butt.
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