Margot Wallstrom (Moderator)
Margot Wallstrom's Moderator has issued a request for information. "When you say 'on the continent most politicians state categorically that it is the foundation of a Federal Europe' can you let me have some specific quotes from specific politicians?"
The above question, is in a response to a comment I made on the blessed Margots' site , where I only repeated a question set by another poster and which has been repeated by others, until now, without an official reaction from the EU Propaganda ministry.
The repeated question: "and while we are in the mood, for responding to questions that have been asked, how about answering this "Here in the UK, our Labour politicians say that the European Constitution is only a 'tidying up exercise', while on the continent most politicians state categorically that it is the foundation of a Federal Europe. If one is right, then the other must be either lying or ignorant Where do you stand on this issue?""
Well, dear reader, are you going to give up this opportunity to interact with the "fragrant one" or are you going to visit her site and give her "quotes from specific politicians".
"The Constitution is the capstone of a European Federal State."- Guy Verhofstadt, Belgian Prime Minister,Financial Times,21-6-2004
'I think the EU constitution is the birth certificate of the United States of Europe,' 'It is not the end point of integration, but the framework for - as it says in the preamble - an ever closer union.'
Hans Martin Bury, Germany's Europe minister.
"Our Constitution cannot be reduced to a mere treaty for co-operation between governments. Anyone who has not yet grasped this fact deserves to wear the dunce's cap."- Valery Giscard-d'Estaing, President of the EU Convention, Speech in Aachen accepting the Charlemagne Prize for European integration, 29-5-2003
"It wasn't worth creating a negative commotion with the British. I rewrote my text with the word federal replaced by communautaire, which means exactly the same thing."Valery Giscard d'Estaing, Wall Street Journal Europe, 7-7-2003
"We know that nine out of 10 people will not have read the Constitution and will vote on the basis of what politicians and journalists say. More than that, if the answer is No, the vote will probably have to be done again, because it absolutely has to be Yes."- Jean-Luc Dehaene, Former Belgian Prime Minister and Vice-President ofthe EU Convention, Irish Times, 2-6-2004
"In Europe one needs to act 'as if' - as if what was wanted was little, in order to obtain much, as if States were to remain sovereign to convince them to concede sovereignty. The Commission in Brussels, for example, should act as if it were a technical instrument, in order to be able to be treated as a government. And so on by disguise and subterfuge."- Giuliano Amato, Italian Prime Minister and later Vice-President of the EU Convention which drafted the Constitution,interview with Barbara Spinelli, La Stampa, 13-7-2000
“The constitution will create a political and institutional framework from which no one will be be able to withdraw. It is a big step towards a more Social Europe” Jacques Chirac.
The above question, is in a response to a comment I made on the blessed Margots' site , where I only repeated a question set by another poster and which has been repeated by others, until now, without an official reaction from the EU Propaganda ministry.
The repeated question: "and while we are in the mood, for responding to questions that have been asked, how about answering this "Here in the UK, our Labour politicians say that the European Constitution is only a 'tidying up exercise', while on the continent most politicians state categorically that it is the foundation of a Federal Europe. If one is right, then the other must be either lying or ignorant Where do you stand on this issue?""
Well, dear reader, are you going to give up this opportunity to interact with the "fragrant one" or are you going to visit her site and give her "quotes from specific politicians".
"The Constitution is the capstone of a European Federal State."- Guy Verhofstadt, Belgian Prime Minister,Financial Times,21-6-2004
'I think the EU constitution is the birth certificate of the United States of Europe,' 'It is not the end point of integration, but the framework for - as it says in the preamble - an ever closer union.'
Hans Martin Bury, Germany's Europe minister.
"Our Constitution cannot be reduced to a mere treaty for co-operation between governments. Anyone who has not yet grasped this fact deserves to wear the dunce's cap."- Valery Giscard-d'Estaing, President of the EU Convention, Speech in Aachen accepting the Charlemagne Prize for European integration, 29-5-2003
"It wasn't worth creating a negative commotion with the British. I rewrote my text with the word federal replaced by communautaire, which means exactly the same thing."Valery Giscard d'Estaing, Wall Street Journal Europe, 7-7-2003
"We know that nine out of 10 people will not have read the Constitution and will vote on the basis of what politicians and journalists say. More than that, if the answer is No, the vote will probably have to be done again, because it absolutely has to be Yes."- Jean-Luc Dehaene, Former Belgian Prime Minister and Vice-President ofthe EU Convention, Irish Times, 2-6-2004
"In Europe one needs to act 'as if' - as if what was wanted was little, in order to obtain much, as if States were to remain sovereign to convince them to concede sovereignty. The Commission in Brussels, for example, should act as if it were a technical instrument, in order to be able to be treated as a government. And so on by disguise and subterfuge."- Giuliano Amato, Italian Prime Minister and later Vice-President of the EU Convention which drafted the Constitution,interview with Barbara Spinelli, La Stampa, 13-7-2000
“The constitution will create a political and institutional framework from which no one will be be able to withdraw. It is a big step towards a more Social Europe” Jacques Chirac.
Well thats a start, I am sure you can find some more :o)
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posted by Anoneumouse at 9:39 am
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